tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post5631496080449214611..comments2024-02-18T01:56:38.508-06:00Comments on M.D.O.D.: National Health Care part II (for Hannah)911DOChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06466669111561150174noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-58889049294287319022012-08-10T09:58:59.461-05:002012-08-10T09:58:59.461-05:00four years late Rob, but, yes, every single insura...four years late Rob, but, yes, every single insurance companey to 1, and to 2 not a single one as they are BUSINESSES and when they grow it is good for everyone, the converse of burgeoning government bureacracies.911DOChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466669111561150174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-9850362956339509712008-02-18T16:45:00.000-06:002008-02-18T16:45:00.000-06:00Ever met an insurance company that did 1) or 2)?Ever met an insurance company that did 1) or 2)?Orvalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08555662894379930689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-48565928931691295152008-02-18T15:09:00.000-06:002008-02-18T15:09:00.000-06:00rob, great points. there's only one thing i can sa...rob, <BR/>great points. there's only one thing i can say in response and it is this, i have yet to see a functioning government bureaucracy that...<BR/>1. is under any pressure, normally coming from competition in the free market, to keep costs low and to provide choice, or...<BR/>2. after having done it's job well, downsizes and cuts its own budget<BR/><BR/>your point about the intricacies of medical care is well taken. much of this is our fault as many doctors don't do good at translating into simple english. it would be possible to be an informed consumer in the following scenario... if you had a good primary physician that could spend, as they used to, 30-34 minutes in the room answering all questions and presenting all options. <BR/>cheers.911DOChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466669111561150174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-82186141305131636212008-02-18T14:59:00.000-06:002008-02-18T14:59:00.000-06:00I'm a social worker, I've worked both in Hospital ...I'm a social worker, I've worked both in Hospital (and very often in the ER of course), and in the community which involved a lot of health service interactions. I am Canadian, and have worked and accessed health care in the US, UK, and France. Indeed these days, I am mostly in an administrative position, and have rather more unwelcome contact than I want with medical bureaucracies.<BR/><BR/>All of the systems have massive problems, particularly in the ER, and you talk to the medical folks in any of the systems, their list of complaints isn't much different that what you find here. I don't think that socialized medicine has all that much to do with it; the systems, whether private, public, or mixed, all have insane, pettifogging, and very perverse bureacracies and incentives (and as good socialized medicine believer, even I think that EMTALA is obviously insane).<BR/><BR/>All systems end up rationing care, one way or another, and all systems end up abusing emergency services. ALL. Socialized or not.<BR/><BR/>I think that whatever system, the basic issue is that we hold two contradictory believes simultaneously: 1) it is wrong that one person should suffer and die because they are poor and another not because they are rich, and 2) it is wrong to prevent someone with money spending it on whatever levels of cadillac care they want. So you end up with enormous pressure to provide unaffordable levels of care to everybody. Sometimes the pressure is from lawyers, sometimes from government, sometimes from insurance.<BR/><BR/>Your rant on what is going on in ERs is absolutely bang on, and it is pretty much the same everywhere I think (three months ago I got to spend a joyous 12 hours the ER with my wife and her excruciating gallbladder pain, I was livid at what I saw there). But the question of socialized medicine seems to me to be another matter.<BR/><BR/>Personally, on the whole, having had both professional and personal experience with a variety of systems, I think I would plump for the French or Canadian systems myself, though not without my eyes fully opened to boths' shortcomings. I think the doctors are better treated in both (while there is discontent and some very vocal dissent, the support in principle for Canada's "single-payer" system is pretty overwhelming amongst Canadian docs), and both have better outcomes for the population as a whole. But I would never ever hold up either as any kind of panacea.<BR/><BR/>What is clear is that the US system is such a horrible mess that something has to be done, and I think yea or nay, by this point you are going to get some kind of more direct government involvement. And if you are going to get any, you're probably better off going whole hog and root and branch than Hillary style insanely complex blended systems from the last go-around.<BR/><BR/>Finally, I guess my objection to the free-market medicine thing is this: in this day and age, you can't really be an informed and rational consumer. I've sat holding my wife as she wept and moaned with gallbladder pain, and I've sat holding my child as she went into her third clonic-tonic seizure of the afternoon, and I would have signed anything, agreed to pay anything, and accepted any course of treatment at all that promised some hope. Economics and costs just didn't figure, in that situation.Orvalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08555662894379930689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-11249657086023620672008-02-15T16:17:00.000-06:002008-02-15T16:17:00.000-06:00The gradual removal of the consumer is the single ...The gradual removal of the consumer is the single greatest factor in our health care crisis. Free markets work when allowed to. Our problems have grown in conjunction with the increase in the percentage third party payors pay out of every dollar spent on health care.<BR/>Until the general public is empowered as consumers of health care and take accountability in paying for the basics out of pocket, health care costs will continue to rise out of control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-28766227216004976952008-02-14T23:04:00.000-06:002008-02-14T23:04:00.000-06:00dear dr. bean. no worries mate! glad you are out t...dear dr. bean. no worries mate! glad you are out there. <BR/><BR/>elizabeth. bottome line, if an insurance company doesn't make money it fails. spreading risk through group plans USED to work but the cost of medical care has increased as more and more expensive and cutting edge therapies have become available. no matter, i believe without having to carry the burden of the uninsured and non payers through EMTALA insurance premiums would still be reasonable enough for companies to offer group coverage. since, however, hospital billing has been spuriously inflated due to EMTALA and the requirement to give stuff away to tens of thousands. <BR/><BR/>i am in a similar position to your son as i have a problem which is excluded from my current coverage. since i'm a veteran i managed to get care through the VA for this but if not i would be in your exact position. as it stands our insurance sucks and we have a high deductible and 80% coverage for my family. <BR/><BR/>i do not have an answer for you but i do know that if the government takes this over that the result will be rationed care. you might get your bypass surgery, but instead of getting it within days of your diagnosis you will wait six months. hopefully you will not die in that six months. that is what Canada has right now. <BR/><BR/>again, it's part of my nature and part of the way i have been trained in the ER. most people don't need much of what we do for them here. tort reform would immediately drop costs for everyone. i could send the 25 year old with chest pain home after a chest xray and an ekg and not admit him/her or draw 18 labs three hours apart to rule out the 1% chance that the chest pain is dangerous. <BR/><BR/>it's become so complicated that there is a real temptation to trash it and start over which i think is the real draw of the 'universal care' solution. the thing that would suffer with that solution is the best part of our current system which is excellent, immediate, and definitive care. <BR/><BR/>cheers.911DOChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466669111561150174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-3058066884144568402008-02-14T22:53:00.000-06:002008-02-14T22:53:00.000-06:00911doc - What are your thoughts on private insuran...911doc - <BR/><BR/>What are your thoughts on private insurance with so many limitations on preexisting conditions? For example, my son has microcephaly, hemiplegia, and cortical blindness, and we essentially got laughed at the one time we tried to get insurance through someplace other than my or my husband's job (I find that employer policies never exclude for preexisting conditions, which is why my husband and I always keep jobs with benefits -- unfortunate, because he recently got offered a job that would give him about a 40% pay raise, but didn't have bennies.)<BR/><BR/>I tried to explain that my son is the exception, not the rule when it comes to his disability, and is really never, ever sick, and I gave them med records and la, la, la, they still turned us down cold.<BR/><BR/>I just think that more upper lower/lower middle class people like me, who bust their asses and can't <I>quite</I> make it would have private insurance if they didn't reject for things like PCOS, or a bum back.<BR/><BR/>Thoughts?<BR/>EAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-12151275322539757902008-02-14T16:01:00.000-06:002008-02-14T16:01:00.000-06:00I am an FP. I love your idea of public clinics wit...I am an FP. I love your idea of public clinics with loan forgiveness. Back when I was young, poor and idealistic I would definitely have signed on for a few years in exchange for being debt free with decent earnings. And think of the experience I would have gained! Now I am middle-aged, cranky, and expect to be debt free next year after 12 years of practice.<BR/><BR/>Dumping is definitely a problem and if I personally have ever dumped on you, my dear EM friends-I apologize, I kiss your feet. Here is what really happened:<BR/>Parent: Can you refill my baby's albuterol? She's out and she's coughing a lot.<BR/>Me: How is her breathing?<BR/>Parent: Well, she was a little blue earlier. But her inhaler helped.<BR/>Me: Can you come in right now?<BR/>Parent: No, it would take me an hour to get there. <BR/>Me: (#$%E)the staff have already gone home. You'd better take her to the ER.<BR/>Parent in ER with smiling pink baby: "I'm here to get a refill on my baby's albuterol."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-44831211280543362262008-02-13T17:58:00.000-06:002008-02-13T17:58:00.000-06:00dear demente dm, i agree completely, i'm at work a...dear demente dm, <BR/>i agree completely, i'm at work and can't type a complete response but what i will say is that you are exactly correct in that the WORST place to be in our current system is to be middle class, and employed. whether you have insurance or not you are bearing the brunt of paying for the uninsured/illegal/abusers of the ER. <BR/><BR/>where we disagree is how to fix it. i don't mind creating a system to catch all these people, in fact we have one right now, the dirty little secret is that folks like you and me are funding it through increased insurance premiums, taxes, and, in my case, mandated charity. <BR/><BR/>the government is the least efficient way to fix problems like this. if i had more time i would get you this info but i believe statistics show that for every dollar collected in taxes something like 30 cents gets spent for public services/projects/programs. also, while on the private side, through competition, efficiency and quality are maximized, the government, without competition, only has incentive to grow and continue it's specific beaurocracies. <BR/><BR/>cheers.911DOChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466669111561150174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-60816389201091169932008-02-13T12:29:00.000-06:002008-02-13T12:29:00.000-06:00I understand your points and sympathize, but I don...I understand your points and sympathize, but I don't see the idea of universal health care directed just at the deadbeats you're dealing with.<BR/><BR/>My husband and I make decent money working for a Fortune 500 company. The health insurance is not great. Hasn't been great for several years. The company has had to cut back so we are offered lower quality networks at a higher price.<BR/><BR/>We spent $6600 last year out of pocket for medical expenses. On top of premiums. We weren't even that sick! That is insane and a significant amount of our take home pay. Those of us with insurance are helping to offset the cost of the deadbeats in the system and in the process our medical care options are limited.<BR/><BR/>I see universal health care as a way to handle the problem of how the uninsured driveup costs.<BR/><BR/>I think you have some good ideas, but I don't agree that universal health care is the enemy. Why should I work if I'm going to be continually penalized by the system simply because I'm employed? Something has to give.<BR/><BR/>The issue isn't just about the poor, it's the working middle class limping from pay check to pay check to cover their co-pays, deductibles, and prescriptions too--I wish the debate wouldn't forget this. Health care is just too damn expensive anymore and I'm angry that I work and pay my bills for crap networks with high premiums.<BR/><BR/>MMRaseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013736401581280682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-75039674595404221842008-02-13T07:20:00.000-06:002008-02-13T07:20:00.000-06:00To be fair to my sister, the failure rate at Air T...To be fair to my sister, the failure rate at Air Traffic Controller school is very high, and getting the higher paid positions is hard. Also, dealing with Pilots seems to be at least as unpleasant as dealing with difficult patients. Theres no malpractice, but controllers have a greater chance of losing their careers over a single minor mistake. You also have to sound cool on the radio, which I have never been able to master.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-78371120650622801662008-02-13T07:10:00.000-06:002008-02-13T07:10:00.000-06:00I enjoy medicine, at least most of it. I still ge...I enjoy medicine, at least most of it. I still get a warm fuzzy when I shock someone, or see that satisfying gush of venous blood from an IJ stick. I sort of envy my sister though. As smart as me, but with a worthless undergraduate degree, she somehow became an air traffic controller. Makes 90% of what I do for 1/2 the time, and because their job is so stressful, 1/4 of their paid work time is spent in breaks. Its my own fault, I could have taken the ATC test when I was 21. She doesn't get to shock anyone though. They do get to retire at 50 though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-15988728589150131202008-02-12T22:54:00.000-06:002008-02-12T22:54:00.000-06:00ryan, with all due respect, mandating anything sou...ryan, <BR/>with all due respect, mandating anything sounds bad to begin with but mandating a physician visit a year is pie-in-the-sky wishfull thinking. what exactly will be accomplished by this once a year vistit? you yourself say that people are going to keep on eating and smoking and drinking etc... multiple studies have shown the veritalbe worthlessness of the 'annual physical'. now, there are things that are cost effective screens, hellllooooo colonoscope, but edwards idea was full of sound and wussy, signifying nothing.911DOChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466669111561150174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-26527473660171752532008-02-12T22:35:00.000-06:002008-02-12T22:35:00.000-06:00Nationalized health care will not succeed in reduc...Nationalized health care will not succeed in reducing costs or improving outcomes on the whole because people will still smoke and be fat. They will continue to ignore their health problems because people will be in just as much denial about their health as they are now. They will wait until the only treatment options available are the expensive interventions socialized medicine is supposed to decrease through prevention. <BR/><BR/>I hate to say it, but the only candidate I've heard acknowledge this fact is John Edwards. He wanted to make it mandatory that every citizen go to the dr once a year. <BR/>Land of the free - <BR/>(Funny that tapping international calls to suspected terrorists is an invasion of your privacy but establishing enforcement and penalties for not seeing your doctor isn't.) <BR/><BR/><BR/>On a lighter note, anyone who's been in the OR will appreciate this<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuZl9tRqjoQUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02977714420045407499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-27108897839728348792008-02-12T22:03:00.000-06:002008-02-12T22:03:00.000-06:00In addition, I'd have to say laziness, lawyers, an...In addition, I'd have to say laziness, lawyers, and dumping are factors too.<BR/><BR/>Rather than taking 15 minutes to drain your abscess, talk to the consultant, complete the admit papers, order a study, whatever...the PCP can see two more patients, so just dump the patient on the ER.<BR/><BR/>Today, we had TWO patients sent to the ER because Medicare wouldn't approve them to have an MRI of their Head and entire Spine...so PCPs sent the patients over for us to do it "emergently". <BR/><BR/>On the patient I saw, I refused, called the PCP and explained that our ER was full with 11 people in the waiting room and I wasn't doing elective studies. I sent the patient home and suggested that the PCP re-submit the paperwork for MRI approval if he really felt it was necessary on this 16 year old chronic tingler. (I did offer to admit the kid for him so he could come over and do an H&P, then order the study...but it wasn't THAT important).<BR/><BR/>The other patient from a different PCP saw one of my partners who bitched, but did the study anyway.erdoc85https://www.blogger.com/profile/06373340227068589953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-16279832703019711302008-02-12T20:07:00.000-06:002008-02-12T20:07:00.000-06:00Dear Elizabeth,I think the 'minute clinic mentalit...Dear Elizabeth,<BR/>I think the 'minute clinic mentality' is certainly partly to blame. Declining reimbursements add to the problem as well. These two factors contribute to <A HREF="http://docsontheweb.blogspot.com/2007/06/whither-generalist.html" REL="nofollow">the following problems detailed in a prior post</A>.<BR/>Cheers.911DOChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466669111561150174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-73295275152867264372008-02-12T17:01:00.000-06:002008-02-12T17:01:00.000-06:00You know, it's funny. My old PCP had been my doct...You know, it's funny. My old PCP had been my doctor for 14 years and he never once sent me to the ER for anything. I think it's because he was an older, cranky, snarky guy and he'd rather just deal with whatever it was himself. I think because he knew I have enough sense to know what was important enough for the ER, and what wasn't. Do you think that maybe that's what's missing? The fact that PCPs almost have to have a Minute Clinic mentality to make any money at all, so they don't know you well enough to know which patients have sense and which ones are a dumb as a bag of hammers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-74998007885210431082008-02-11T23:55:00.000-06:002008-02-11T23:55:00.000-06:00Anon: I can only guess that it's that age old bel...Anon: I can only guess that it's that age old belief that doctors are "rich". (if only). People can't separate the bill they get from me (which is outrageous) from the <10% of that money that I actually get. Most people are in horror to learn that our hospital CEO and CFO make 10 times what I make! (If your hospital is a not-for-profit hospital, you can view their and any organizations tax returns on guidestar.org).<BR/><BR/>Birdwell: Thank you. I wish I knew. You are probably right that the internet is the tool to use. 911 is trying to get the same type of organization started. People just need to be educated about what we DO make as a percentage of their bill. They need to know the drain on our current system, and they need more info than the soundbites they get from the politicos.<BR/><BR/>B&J: That's one of my biggest pet peeves! I stopped playing the game and I come right out and tell the patient that their doc could have done a direct admit saving the patient a couple of thousand bucks! I am sick to death of the "go to the ER docs" since we're so convenient.<BR/><BR/>My med director says "at least it's job security", but when we have a full waiting room, a full ER, we're holding 15 admits....it's just plain irresponsible not to direct admit someone you want in the hospital.<BR/><BR/>In our system where hospitalists admit almost everyone, the outside PCP's send the BS admits to the ER so I can argue with the hospitalist! "Yeah, I know it's BS, but Dr. X sent the patient from BFE to be admitted". <BR/><BR/>Cheers.<BR/><BR/>85erdoc85https://www.blogger.com/profile/06373340227068589953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-2907015573526626402008-02-11T21:02:00.000-06:002008-02-11T21:02:00.000-06:00I think that everyone makes great, valid points.Th...I think that everyone makes great, valid points.<BR/><BR/>The worst thing I see in the ED is the PCP's who are too lazy to do the workup themselves. <BR/><BR/>Just send em to the ED.<BR/><BR/>I worked a mainline ED shift last PM and a fast track ED shift today. We had a girl in her 30's who came in who was admitted in Jan for SBO, and then 2 other times for a lysis of adhesions, and for constipation. <BR/><BR/>She called her PCP last night, who told her to come to the ED for evaluation of CONSTIPATION...PCP was worried it was another SBO instead of the OXYCONTIN that she put her on for the chronic pain. Well, so I worked her up, and admitted her, and she didn't like the floor resident, so she signed out AMA at midnight. Today, she showed up in my fast track for re-admission after she got chewed out by her PCP for leaving AMA. So, instead of doing a direct admission for a known problem, for which she was admitted and left AMA, she sent her back to the ED because "we'd handle the admission".<BR/><BR/>A huge part of the ED and medical crunch we deal with is stupid shit like this. If I had a day go by where I didn't get a "well, my PCP told me to come in for the abnormal lab value" or "I called my PCP and she said if I was concerned about the rash or the burning when I urinate or the sniffles, to come to the ED and get checked out", we'd all be in a happier place because we aren't dealing with the BS we see on a daily basis, allowing us to be more efficient and not dealing with the people who expect too much for their little crap complaints that can be worked up as an outpatient. <BR/><BR/>Seriously..do you need to drag your 5 year old out of bed at 3am because he's had wet farts for 6 hours? or can that seriously wait till AM to be seen by your pediatrician? <BR/><BR/>C'mon folks. Leave the ER's to the lady who stroked out because her 3 inch long myxoma threw a clot, or the kid with CREST syndrome who blew a lung and needed a chest tube. Your runny nose and "I can't sleep" can wait. It's not an EMERGENCY.Brian and Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09641593122171997030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-1222008520957747622008-02-11T19:40:00.000-06:002008-02-11T19:40:00.000-06:0085 great post--thank you! Please permit me a wide...85 great post--thank you! Please permit me a wide eyed moment here:<BR/><BR/>The big issue here: is WHO has the balls to take on this "health care reform" challenge. It's not just hospitals and doctors--it's insurance (both health and malpractice), it's lawyers, it's financial institutions, it's the public, it's the government, it's educational institutions. It's to the point where we need an huge eraser and a big white board marker to re-draw the system (right now the current white board looks like my 6 year-old's bedroom wall when he and his sister found our stash of Sharpies). There is no band-aid for this.<BR/><BR/>In this land of drugged sheep, how do the few un-addled folks stop the sheep from carrying us over the cliff? <BR/><BR/>The internet has a great untapped grass roots potential. We may be too late this year for a decent presidential candidate, but we still state and congressional elections coming up...we have the access to money, information, and communication to invoke change. Working now on promoting people that are not mired in the power politics--maybe soon we can actually turn things around with out a bloody, nasty de-evolution (i.e the fall of Rome) or revolution.<BR/><BR/>Anyhoo--it's just some thoughts that popped out of my head--feel free to blast my naivety.Birdwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15566124933906053791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-89105023756264446842008-02-11T09:05:00.000-06:002008-02-11T09:05:00.000-06:00A few years ago I learned how to replace the clutc...A few years ago I learned how to replace the clutch in my camaro after the dealer told me what he wanted for the job. Once you've done it, its not that hard, and I can make $500-$1000 depending on make of car and gullibility of customer. I haven't given up medicine, but its a fun part time job. You can charge more if you say you're an "expert". I've done 3 BMW's so I consider myself one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-44792892704218754832008-02-11T07:23:00.000-06:002008-02-11T07:23:00.000-06:00love thomas sowell, but then again, i'm white, he'...love thomas sowell, but then again, i'm white, he's black, and he's an uncle tom sellout to his peeps. his arguments are bullet-proof and hard to argue so he's an oreo to the left. the left who despise, so they say, racism, the politics or personal destruction etc... and hillary is never one to play the gender card, sniff, whine, tear, poor little girl.911DOChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06466669111561150174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-86362341149676371432008-02-11T06:50:00.000-06:002008-02-11T06:50:00.000-06:00I do not understand how what a doctor's income has...I do not understand how what a doctor's income has become such a major focus of resentment. There doesn't seem to be this concern over what Congress critters get paid (they provide much less benefit to us), and they've been voting themselves hefty increases EVERY YEAR for ages even though the Constitution expressly forbids them doing so (only supposed to be allowed to vote increases the year before elections, I believe). <BR/><BR/>Or, why is there not similar outrage over the salaries of insurance executives or supermarket corporation execs? Who drummed up this rage that a doctor might make $200,000 a year? It's so phony. The liberals are experts at distracting from the real issues, creating straw men to deflect our anger, confusion and resentment, fear, and entitlement.<BR/><BR/>Thomas Sowell once observed that Rome fell when most of its citizens began to feel 'entitled' without commensurate cost of effort. They became a civilization of whiners and complainers, lazy and greedy, and increasingly ignorant in the process. Corrupt Senators ignorantly speeded along the process. Rome disintegrated, it wasn't destroyed by the primitive rampaging hordes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-5072112569512855462008-02-11T04:31:00.000-06:002008-02-11T04:31:00.000-06:00911- Congratulations on your newly acquired skill ...911- <BR/><BR/>Congratulations on your newly acquired skill of embedding links in your comments. Very efficient.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps now you could work on that pinky rehab some more. Your capitalization skills are definitely getting spotty again.<BR/><BR/>Toodles.MonkeyGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05735317323208263354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24021163.post-68840272997104479252008-02-11T00:56:00.000-06:002008-02-11T00:56:00.000-06:00Anon: I can't disagree with any of your logic. G...Anon: I can't disagree with any of your logic. Good grasp of the situation...much better than the moron that wanted us to lick Hillary (a little ouf of context, but funnier that way).<BR/><BR/>The CT Scan cost (depends on your insurance and the body part being studied). Because of all of the "side deals" with various providers, the scan cost varies with non-insured paying the most! <BR/><BR/>Agreed, the insurance industry has us all over a barrel, and patients are normally not savvy enough to know what their costs and coverages will be, and don't care if they are really sick.erdoc85https://www.blogger.com/profile/06373340227068589953noreply@blogger.com