This was supposed to be a thread within the National Health Care post....but I guess it was too long and it wouldn't post. So I had to make a separate post.
Hannah: This initially short response turned into a 4 hour tome because of my passion for the issues raised here. I'd appreciate your attention to consider my points and examples. This isn't theory for me. I live it every day. It's doubtful any of the politicians promising "Universal Healthcare" (Democrat or Republican) have spent more than 5 minutes in an ER for anything more than a photo-op.
Thank you for defining yourself as a non-conservative and thus giving me an opportunity to discuss this with you (hopefully in a rational way)!
I (and most if not all of the other bloggers here) want medicine fixed too, we just have different methods in mind to achieve a solution. Read our posts....we're all very unhappy right now (except for Etotheipi who blissfully dissects stuff and avoids the ED)
Most Libertarians and Conservatives aren't mean or nasty. Unlike what you'll hear Hillary or Obama say, we don't want to let people die in the streets....unless maybe it's Hillary, but I digress.
Like 911 has repeatedly said...we believe there must be some level of personal responsibility to health care. If not, it's a waste of time to even treat! Even well insured patients who won't take personal responsibility don't keep their doctor appointments, don't check their blood sugar, etc are a source of ire for docs, and a drain on our system.
We DO see tons of lazy, stupid, entitled, and irresponsible people in the ED. Those folks make up the majority of our problem. But by NO means do I or any of the other bloggers here think EVERY uninsured person is lazy. I'd be willing to bet that you fit NONE of my above adjectives. You read about us bitching about the lazy ones because they drive us so crazy.
Don't feel like we're piling on you here, we're frustrated because people outside of our industry see rising health care costs and insist that the Government fix it. No, No, No...the Government is largely responsible for breaking it! Remove some of the regulations, narrowly define EMTALA, control illegal immigration, give us some tort reform, and the private sector will take care of the problem. Competition drives costs down and improves services. In my town of less than 100K people, we have 9 CT scanners (including 2 of the latest generation models), 5 MRI machines, and a PET scanner...all because of competition between 3 hospitals and several clinics.
Most of the bloggers here work in the health care industry and we see what the tremendous level of Government involvement has done thus far....everything is worse now than it was 15 years ago. "Universal Health Care" doesn't scare me because of the financial perspective (hell, I might even make more....at least at first).
It scares me because we have one of the finest health care systems in the world. Why? Because it's based on free market capitalism. We don't want socialized medicine as providers, and I assure you that you don't want it as a health care consumer.
I could pull out lots of examples, but let's use a common one: Not a day goes by that I don't see a patient with rotten teeth in the ER for a toothache. I have NOTHING against helping the poor....in fact I don't think we help them enough.
We should work harder and spend more to get them back on their feet and back as productive members of society. With a definite END in site to their benefits. NOT the current lifetime of Medicaid as long as they don't work over 25 to 30 hours a week or make above the poverty level. (I'm not talking about folks with mental retardation or other true disabilities...so please don't go there with an attempted rebuttal).
I can give you HUNDREDS of examples for every condition you can think of from "fibromyalgia" (whatever the fuck that is) to chronic pelvic pain, to migrane headaches, to real diseases like congestive heart failure and diabetes.
But back to my toothache example, in almost every single one of these cases (and the other ER docs on here will back me up), the person is wearing very nice clothes, has a late model cell phone, fancy tennis shoes, manicured nails and expensive hair styles - (if female), and he or she usually reeks of tobacco. In other words they have plenty of cash for what they WANT and think is worthy of spending their cash on.
"When did your tooth start hurting?" I ask. The responses are usually weeks to years. "Have you called a dentist to schedule an appointment?" I ask. "No, they're too expensive" or "I didn't have the money to see one" are the usual replies.
It's a matter of priorities and taking responsibility for your own healthcare needs. This is where Libs and Conservative/Libertarian folks part company.
Hannah, I'd be willing to bet that you worry about paying your bills whether to the dentist, PCP, or, ER. Thank you. I'll bet you even AVOID going when you need to because of the cost, and I'll bet you chose the least expensive alternatives available(like a direct care instead of an ED). You're almost certainly NOT the problem or the source of our griping! It's the people who expect all care for free, choose when they're gonna come in (usually at 3am "don't you have a dentist here?", and want it fixed NOW, for free. These people are the problem whether we're talking toothaches, snotty noses, coughs, vomiting for weeks (always with normal lab studies...amazing), severe chronic back pain, exacerbation of "fibromyalgia", twice weekly migrane headaches only relieved with IV Demerol, knee/arm/shoulder/ pain for months etc, etc, etc.
Go sit in you local county ER as a volunteer on a couple of Friday or Saturday nights and see WHO we're talking about. It'll rock your world and change your perspective!
Usually, I'm dealing with a heart attack, a car crash patient, a stroke, and all other kinds of actual emergencies...but these non-emergent freebie people are almost always the most rude, threatening, unappreciative and demanding. ("I'm gonna call my lawyer if you don't hurry up and see me".....funny how once I hear that, their chart always leapfrogs to the bottom of the pile or occasionally gets "lost" behind the desk or into the paper shredder).
Again, the other ER docs will likely back me up on my perception.
As I said in another post when a guy complained that his ER doctor bill was almost $1,000...You've gotta understand that your charges are so expensive because you're paying the bill for all of these other people. Why?...Must be greedy doctors, right? Wrong. It's largely because of a law passed by liberals. (It started here in Texas I'm sad to say by liberals and spread nationwide to become EMTALA). It says they get evaluations regardless of their ability to pay. Of the $1,000 the poor got charged, I'd see about $65 to $70 (out of which I get to spend about $20K a year for malpractice coverage though I've never been sued).
I make no more now than I did 8 years ago and I DEFINITELY work a lot harder. I probably won't make any more 10 years from now. (But my hospital admistrator will, and your political representatives will) .
While in any other business or profession, you'd expect to make more the longer and harder you work, it ain't workin' out that way for most of us in ER Medicine. No other job in the world requires over a decade of training and then expects people to perform a significant part of their work for free. AND risk a lawsuit if the patient is unhappy.
Even the lady I buy donuts from for my nurses spent a single day learning to make the donuts...but she doesn't give them away (and no one expects her to). Health care costs have gone up in the past 10 years, but I make the same....why is that? Your answers are mostly above.
The intent of the EMTALA law wasn't to turn the ER into the cesspool that it has become, but that's what happened. It was a well intentioned attempt to keep hospitals from refusing to treat truly emergent patients. But due to typical liberal "feel-good" legislation...no one ever considered the unintended consensequences of such a law. Now that we see the mess it's created (not to mention the entire culture and mindset it's spawned), it's failures are seen by the Left as a result of the medical establishment and the "Rich Doctors"...BULLSHIT!
You and I don't disagree. I believe every U.S. Citizen should have access to basic healthcare. And I believe non-Citizens can pay for it. But NEWSFLASH...ER Docs aren't trained to be primary care doctors! (I tell patients..."yes, I am a doctor, but I don't specialize in your problem. I take care of EMERGENCIES for a living. It's like taking your broken car to a refigerator mechanic. You'd never do that even though both are mechanics, you know that they're trained for different things. You must see a PCP for your xxxxxx".
I see a number of ways to help the problems without taxing the crap out of everyone or breaking down our current system into a socialist nightmare.Since fewer than 20% of the US population has no health coverage, (based on the latest numbers from 2005) why oh why do we want to screw up health care for the other 80%? I know, it's politically sexy to promise this. It makes the various Presidential candidates seem like they care....NO ONE should be this gullible, yet sadly many Americans are.
First, we definitely need more patient education! Any solution has to be accompanied by an intensive patient education campaign. It's not unusual (saw it just last night) for a parent to bring a baby to the ER because of ONE episode of spitting up!?! Baby was FINE when I saw him. Why you ask would they pack up and come in for ONE episode of spitting up in a 9 month old? BECAUSE IT'S FREE TO THEM.
Here are three quick suggestions:
1) Let docs DEDUCT the bad debt from their taxes encountered by non-paying patients. Then there's some incentive and no less penalty for seeing these folks. This would have to be associated with malpractice or tort reform nationwide (see next issue). But when you get a doc's bill, understand that it's mostly for their knowledge. We spend 11 to 16 years training to be doctors. There are plenty of bright young people (my daughter among them) that are planning to avoid medicine all-together if this socialized crap passes. Unless there's some reasonable financial reward for their many years of study and effort. College, Med School, and Residency are TOUGH! Very few people are gonna do it to be rewarded with socialistic medicine hassles and shitty incomes.
2) TORT REFORM! You'll NEVER get this passed by Democrats who are largely funded by trial lawyers and ambulance chasers. But in Texas, since it's passage
in 2002, we've seen frivolous malpractice cases decline and insurance rates decrease. We went from 2 companies willing to write ER Docs policies to 11 companies! This is the result of competition in the marketplace. Despite the spin the left tries to put on the law, a victim of malpractice is still rewarded ACTUAL damages...no matter the costs. The cap was placed at $250K PER OCCURANCE for punative damages only.
3) You can already get student loans forgiven if you go to work in "underserved" areas for a certain number of years. The average med student graduates owing over $125,000 in loans. Set up county run public health care clinics for primary medical issues (the same for dentistry). Work a deal where you pay these docs a reasonable income and forgive their loans if they remain for 3 to 5 years.
Those are easy and fairly immediate solutions to the lack of access problem. The ER just can't continue to absorb these people (plus, I SUCK at primary care...that's not what I do for a living). I'm not managing your "fibromyalgia" since I don't believe in it, and I'm not managing your chronic back pain, either. I'm not an expert in chronic hypertension control or diabetic sugar control.
I'm a "safety net" with some big holes in it.
Thank you for reading.
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